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1984 JUL 24 CC MINI.
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MINUTES OF AN ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING
OF THE EL SEGUNDO CITY COUNCIL
July 24, 1984
CALL TO ORDER
The E1 Segundo City Council convened in adjourned
regular session on Tuesday, July 24, 1984, at 9:00
a.m., in the Council Chamber of the E1 Segundo City
hall.
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE was led by Mr. Richard
Patterson.
ROLL CALL
Present: Councilmembers Jacobson, Schuldt,
Siadek, Synadinos, and Mayor
Armstrong
Absent: Councilmembers None
STUDY SESSION
Mayor Armstrong declared the session open. He stated,
that with Council approval, they would accept any
comments /input from the public.
City Manager Jones indicated that staff has updated
some of the information prepared last year, when Council
and the revenue advisory committee were looking at the
various sources of revenue.
The outline, in chart form, was presented by Finance
Director Jose Sanchez. One chart indicated the up-
dated history of the trend line of sales tax revenue
and the other, the sum of revenue and expenditures in
the general fund.
The Sales Tax chart was one that was presented in
October of last year to illustrate what the sales tax
picture has been, beginning with Fiscal Year 1975 -76.
What is now indicated for update is the actual ex-
perience between fiscal year 82 -83 and 83 -84. When
the chart was first presented, there was a general
estimate of 83 -84. The chart update now indicates that
the tax has come in at approximmately $2.9 million,
just under the $3 million indicated. The projection
for 84 -85 is $3.1 million; a 5% growth factor. The
indication based on the trend is that it will "flatten"
out.
This trend could change based on several factors; a
significant change in point of sale, new development
that would participate in retail sales tax, and any
change in the sale of fuel oil from the refinery would
all have an impact. However, at this point, the
projection is a 5 -6% increase.
Mayor Armstrong asked for clarification regarding point
of sale; that a point of sale would be forthcoming
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(possibly from Hughes) and would yet back to Council in
six months, and wanted to know the status.
Mr. Jones responded that he recalled Hughes would look
into the possibility of changing their contracts so
that El Segundo would appear as a point of sale.
Mayor Armstrong asked that at the appropriate time
would any industry please comment on this.
Councilman Siadek indicated that the Property Tax
Allocation Committee was addressing this issue.
Jose Sanchez indicated that the chart, Revenues and
Expenditures for General Fund Only, which was presented
in October, 1983 was updated for the 83 -84 actual
experience. It is extended to show what the trend will
be, for the next several years. For this time, the
chart shows, the green line for revenues and the red
line for expenditures. What is shown is a $282,000
difference with expenditures being higher. The
projected 84 -85 budget shows a $750,000 deficit in
operating funds with a 5% trend, assuming no new
revenues are in place and remaining static. The City is
looking at $1.2 million.
Chris Mehlum, General Manager, Chevron, asked why the
rate of increase in expenditures, and the separation of
the two lines.
Mr. Sanchez indicated it was based on trend which is
what we have experienced over the last few years. This
project for expenditures, is strictly basic operating
budget. There is no provision or contingency for
supplemental request or any interim adjustments that
are made based on unanticipated appropriations that may
be required through the year or mid -year adjustments.
Mr. Jones indicated that the city's expenditures tend to
follow the trend line of inflation in the general
society. but many revenues are not sensitive to
inflationary trends, e.g., the tax per head levied last
year. The trend is also based on franchise taxes which
reflected a decrease this year in the franchise tax and
the gas company because of a warm winter. Based on
this, our trend line for next year might be too low if
we have a very cold winter.
Councilman Siadek inquired of Mr. Mehlum if he had any
idea of the oil sales tax.
Chris Mehlum, replied he did not.
Mr. Jones indicated that the main sale of gas is to the
Edison Company. taut their production of electricity
decreases when you have a warm winter.
Mr. Jones stated that the City has taken the history
and the general trend line and done a more detailed
projection of our operation over the 4 year period and
reflected on the Estimated and Projected General Fund
Operating budget and Unappropriated Reserves (Periods
83/84 through 86/87). This is an update of a chart
prepared last year. What is inserted in 83/84 is the
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actual unaudited results for that year and changed the
projection based on the results of 83/84 through 86/87
fiscal year.
Mr. Sanchez explained, with visual aid charts, that the
intent was to illustrate: (1) Revenue and expenditure
corollation that we have had for 83/84 and what we are
estimating for the next three fiscal years, based on
certain assumptions. (2) It is intended to show what
the operating surplus or operating deficits would be,
and (3) the accumulative reserves that would be
generated.
The first column (pre -audit 83/84) indicates the
current amount of revenues that have been collected
for 83/84, the current appropriations and prior to any
increased revenues that were enacted January 1, 1984.
There was a 52.6 million operating deficit. However,
with the increases that took place effective January 1,
1984, we had, under revenue increases! (Al) Business
registration fee and other permits which generated
$1.7 million, (A2) the Rectroactive adjustment for
July 1, 1983 through December 31, 1983 generated an
additional $600,000 and (A3) the 2% bed tax increase
generated approximately $90,000. With those in place,
we come down to the Operating Deficit of $282,435.
Also under the Pre -Audit column, there is shown a pro-
jected unappropriated reserve of $5.6 million, which
is in the general fund balance reserves.
Councilman Siadek asked for an explanation of the
difference between the $21 million in reserves versus
the unappropriated reserves.
Mr. Sanchez indicated that the chart was to demonstrate
the unappropriate reserves in the general fund only.
This fund is used to fund the operating cost with
regards to public works, public safety, various in-
ternal service funds operations. The $21 million is
total reserves City -wide, which would include the
general fund as well as the internal service funds, the
capital improvement funds, special revenue sharing,
etc.
Mr. Sanchez stated that we have loaned from the
emergency reserve fund monies for special capital
improvement funds on a loan basis. However, no money is
moved from the internal service fund to the general
fund.
Councilman Jacobson wanted to know if we hadn't used
some of the equipment replacement funds for funding
full equipment purchases rather than what is pro -rated
for that.
Mr. Sanchez said that in those cases we suspended the
contribution to the equipment replacement fund and
to the workers' comp fund, but we haven't transferred
the funds from the workers' comp fund to the general
fund.
He also stated that the amounts that are charged to the
general fund for workers' comp and equipment replace-
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ment needs are based on projected replacement costs anc
there are variables there and what we do is be sure
there are adequate reserves to fund those replacement
needs for the next three or four years. The reason we
recommended that we suspend this year or the last two
years 84/85 and 83/84 was based on our assessments that
there were adequate reserves. But in essence if we did
charge the general fund in its full allocation, then it
would be alot more, the charge would be alot more than
what the appropriation was for those years.
Mr. Jones stated that all the monies in the other funds
are restricted for a specific purpose. For example, we
have one fund called vacation and sick leave reserve.
The resolution that set up the fund restricted the use
to paying for sick leave and vacation that is accrued
when an employee terminates and the purpose for setting
the fund up at the time was that in the event there is a
case where there is an unusual number of retirements or
terminations that result in a very large amount of
payoff, it could come out of that fund. In case you do
have a bad fiscal situation and you have to layoff a
large number of employees, there is a very big fiscal
impact in accrued vacation and sick leave which can come
out of that fund. You cannot transfer that money for
unrestricted use in the general fund but you can use it
to cover the costs of personnel costs in terminations.
So that is an operating cost but it is still restrict-
ed.
Mr. Sanchez then went on to the next coluum (84/85),
this based on the budget that was just adopted by
Council and it indicates a current revenue projection of
$15.2 million with appropriations at $15.9 million.
Based on the difference, $751,228. The revenue pro-
jection for 84/85 is much greater than the revenue
that is indicated in the column just to the left. The
reason it is greater is because included is the new
revenues that were effective Januay 1, 1984.
Those revenues are now in place and they are part of
the general fund revenue etimates.
To move down further in the column, under New Revenue
Source, this is based on an update which was presented
in October, 1983 with the initial intent that we wanted
to show over a three year period we would raise approx-
imately $5.5 million to fund operating costs and capital
improvement needs and other types of needs. What we are
indicating here is that we would generate an additional
$1 million for 84/85. The next number $855,700 is the
short -fall based on our original estimates, we should
have raised in 184 if we were going to keep pace with
the initial scenario that was presented in October,
1983. The 83/84 estimate was $2.6 million, however, we
only raised $1.7 million. So the difference is
$855,700. We are also making an estimate of the new
hotel in town for $350,000 and with those new revenues
in place, we would have an operating deficit go from
$750,000 to a projected $1.4 million.
Councilman Siadek asked for clarification if this was
deficit or surplus.
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Mr. Sanchez responded it was the operating surplus.
The number of $4 million dollars is an acccumulative
number and it is for memorandum only which would in-
dicate how much we have raised in new reveunes so at
that point if these things were to take place we would
have raised an additional $4 million in new revenues.
Again, with those assumptions, the projected unap-
propriated reserve would go from $5.6 million to
$7,060,000.
Mr. Jones responded that this was capital improvement
and other expansions. For example, any planned ex-
pansion in the fire department or other operating
department could come out of that.
Moving to the next column, we are making again a per-
centage estimate in the increase to revenues and to
appropriations assuming that everything remains status
quo, we are looking at a $1.2 million operating de-
ficit.
Mr. Sanchez indicated that this was strictly general
fund operations. It does not include the capital
improvement appropriations projected for that same
year.
Councilman Siadek asked for an explanantion of why we
are showing a projected increase of 100% in the
unappropriated reserves from 83/84 to 86/87?
Mr. Jones responded that that is the $5.5 million
talked about in the memorandum that we had projected
last year to raise, which would cover the operating
deficit, plus providing about $4 million over this
period of time for capital improvements, and new ex-
pansions in programs. Now the Council has not
formally adopted that as a goal, that was presented
last year when we presented the information to the
Revenue Advisory Committee and to the Council.
A discussion followed regarding capital improvement
projects that were carried forward and the amount of
reserves that are available.
Mr. Jones indicated that for any project Council has
budgeted and was encumbered, the money is encumbered
and it exists. It is not shown in the unencumbered
reserves because it is encumbered, but does exist in
the cash reserve. All the funds in the capital
improvement fund have been encumbered for projects
budgeted by the Council as of this year.
A discussion ensued regarding the amount of money in
the capital improvement fund and the use allocated for
that money.
Mr. Jones proceeded to explain that if nothing is
done in the way of increased revenue and we continue at
the current level of operations with no expansion, by
1986/87 fiscal year the deficit in the general fund
will be a $1.6 million. If the Council were to adopt
the general goal of raising a total of 5.5 million
dollars of new revenue including the revenue that was
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raised previously in 1983/84 fiscal year given the
actual experience we had with the amou -n -t of revenue and
expenditures in 83/84 by 1986/87 we would have about
$1,223,000 per year for expansion of new programs or
for capital projects.
He continued that, including the increase in the
business registration fees from last year, and the
increased revenue from the new hotel tax, we will be
raising $2,372,000 of additional new revenue. That
means if the $5.5 million is adopted as a goal for new
revenue, the Council would need to look for additional
revenue sources totaling $3,127,000 over the next few
years.
In this report we have analyzed 13 potential revenue
sources which are either totally new revenues or
increases in additional revenues which, if fully
utilized, would raise several times over that amount of
revenue and the difficult task the Council has is the
total amount to raise and the source(s) from which
those are to be raised and the timing in which they are
to be raised; spread out over the three year period or
alternatively elect to raise the whole amount in one
sum initially. If raised at one time, then the total
amount available over three years would be that much
larger.
Mayor Armstrong inquired if
mentation and the Fire /Life
this.
Mr. Jones indicated that th
sure how these could be put
some decisions were made on
projects.
the Traffic Study Imple-
Study was included in
at was accurate. But wasn't
into an expenditure until
some of the specific
Councilman Siadek asked for clarification if this meant
a 40 -50% increase in revenues over the next three
years.
Mr. Jones indicated that he was not sure if this was
the correct percentage as against existing revenues.
Discussion ensued regarding industry input and
suggestions as well as the possibility of having to
raise taxes to raise the money necessary to cover the
costs of running the city.
It was pointed out by Councilman Siadek that if we
raised taxes, this could put us in contlict with Jarvis
IV if it passes in November. He also indicated that we
should consider using money from the reserves to
balancce the budget. That it is unfair to tax industry
and not residents, especially one industry, Chevron.
MOTION WAS MADE by Councilman Siadek to appropriate
necessary funds from the reserves to balance the budget.
Motion failed for lack of a second.
Discussion followed as to
implemented and whether to
improvements. And whether
from what sources.
whether this should be
implement several capital
taxes should be raised and
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MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN SIADEK, SECONDED 13Y
COUNCILMAN SCHULDT to appropriate funds from the
reserves for capital improvements as outlined by the
Traffic Study.
Discussion ensued regarding the amount and what it was.
It was also discussed whether staff was instructed to
implement some of those capital improvements.
Mr. Jones indicated that they were being implemented as
fast as staff has the ability to yet the projects and
the bids put together. He also stated that Council
needed to be aware that it was not feasible to imple-
ment all those projects at one time because they are
timed with other development projects.
However, Mr. Jones mentioned that a presentation of the
transportation study implementation will be at the next
Council; and perhaps Council might want to wait and
look at those individually and then make decisions.
Mayor Armstrong asked if Councilman Siadek would amend
his motion with the stipulation that priorites are
carefully examined and put into action if appropriate
to so.
Further discussion followed including assessment
districts. Councilman Jacobson also inquired if the
report regarding Arena and Franklin was ready.
Mr. Jones responded it would be presented at the next
Council meeting.
MOTION WAS DEFEATED with the following vote:
Ayes: Councilmen Schuldt and Siadek
Noes: Councilmembers Jacobson, Synadinos
and Mayor Armstrong
MOTION WAS MADE BY MAYOR ARMSTRINV AND SECONDED BY
COUNCILMAN JACOBSON to examine funding methods and give
direction to staft for implementation. MOTION CARRIED
by the following vote:
Ayes: Councilmembers Jacobson, Schuldt,
Synadinos and Mayor Armstrong
Noes: Councilman Siadek
Chris Mehlum, Chevron, indicated that Council had
apparently made up their minds on funding and imple-
mentation of doing so without any input. He thought
industry was invited to give input and part of the input
might have shed some light on the reserves but apparent-
ly Council was of mind to go ahead with funding rather
than tap the reserve without any input from industry.
Mr. Mehlum indicated that one of the ways to attack the
problem is to tap the reserves. he felt that it was
strange to take a vote before getting input. He also
stated that Chevron has a great part in the reserve;
they put it there, and maybe they have something to
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say about it. He felt Council was rejecting the use of
the reserves and simply going ahead and conjuring out
ways to raise revenues.
Mr. Mehlum suggested that this year we tap the reserves
and then find out where we are going, what the business
climate is likely to be in the next few years, and then
make another decision.
Mr. Myron Harpole, President, Hacienda Hotel, regarding
the reserves; the Hacienda along with Chevron, are the
only companies who have contributed to the reserve. Mr.
Harpole indicated because of the atmosphere of the City
he would not object to any projects that better the
city. Mr. Harpole urged to supplement the budget from
the reserves.
Mr. Dick Patterson, 1205 East Oak, presented Council
with a handout (Fiscal 1984/85: Budget Alternative &
Recommendations - Recommended Council Actions).
Mr. Jones stated that if Jarvis IV were to pass, fees
and service charges could be increased only by the
amount of the cost of living (consumer price index) in
any given year. Any increase above and beyond would not
be permitted.
mr. Jones turther indictated that the assessment
proposal on street lighting, etc. would fall under the
same category; there is some question that those
assessments are in fact taxes and that would also be
absolutely prohibited under Jarvis IV; which will have
a large impact on all alternative sources.
(NOTE: Councilman Siadek left the meeting at 10:50
a.m.)
Pat Smith, 947 Virginia, stated that he felt reserves
were to be used. He asked for clarification if the
City had a policy on the amount of reserves that the
City is to have? Or ever established such a policy?
Since Councilwoman Syandinos indicated that there was
no policy. Mr. Smith stated that he felt the City
should establish a policy decision on the amount of
reserves that are necessary. He went on to state that
Mr. Mehlum indicated he had some revenue, and that
approximately 10% of the budget which would be approx-
immately $1.6 million; then double for 20 %, $3.2
million to be kept in reserves. These would then be
our "rainy day" items. He said that we all have an
opinion of a rainy day, so then establish a policy that
a certain percentage of the operting budget as reserves
and then the City doesn't have to worry about whether
the reserves will be used or not.
Mr. Wesley Bush, General Manager, E1 Segundo Chamber of
Commerce, indicated that by looking at the figures, the
City has no problem. We have the reserves and that's
the purpose of the reserves - to help in situations
like this. He also stated that in other cities when
there is a cash flow problem, it is left to the voters
and let the voters indicate on which projects they want
to spent for and how much to spend. So why not offer
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the voters a "shoppiny list" and let the people decide
what the Council should do. He stated that is what the
City did on the Senior Citizen Housing.
He also stated that the City should put a little more
effort into the Committee that Councilman Siadek is on
(Property Tax Allocation Committee) in the sharing of
property tax revenue.
(NOTE: At 11:24 a.m., Councilman Siadek returned to the
Council meeting.)
Mr. Howard Schmidt, TRW, stated that Council is in a
very difficult position and if Council does proceed to
adopt the policy for new taxes, then Mr. Schmidt would
like to relate the concerns of TRW. Regarding the
issue of the sewer assessment district, theoretically
that assessment to enter the County Sanitation's Dis-
trict, effected the property owner. however, because of
standard leasing arrangements, the actual tenants are
the ones helping to bear the property owners cost on
that. Mr. Schmidt indicated that he would like to make
the Council aware of certain taxes, fees that may look
on paper to affect a certain industry, or certain type
of business but in effect, many of those may be passed
on through costs that will end up on the same individu-
als that bear the cost of the head tax. For example,
the staff recommendation for commercial leasing of
property; the individual, the owner, the landlord, the
property manager - that tee is going to go directly to
the tenant. That tenant will already be submitted to
the head tax, that tenant will be paying the utility tax
(it Council adopts), and the tenant will be paying his
share and the landlords share. In the case of TRW, they
are a tenant company in E1 Segundo. They do not own the
structures, therefore, not only does TRW pay a head tax
for business license fee but if Council adopts a
commercial real estate tax, they will then be paying
that as well. And not all businesses are owner occupied
facilities.
A second issue on staff recommendations is the personnel
payroll tax - the tax on employees, r'rom TRW's
perspective, that tax seems cumbersome. because of the
nature of the business (Aerospace) there is alot of
fluid movement among employees and reporting records
will be very difficult to keep track of what employees
are assigned to E1 Segundo and make sure that the
employee is taxed. It also raises a serious personnel
issue among large industry - where one part of the
industry is on one side of the street in one community
and another part of the industry is across the street in
another community and the employee being taxed - how
does industry administer that and keep employees happy.
The third issue - assessment districts. Assessment
districts must be identified by the property owners that
benefit from that assessment and therefore they are
charged that benefit that is derived from those
improvements. but when you talk about delivery of
services in terms of assessment districts, then a very
difficult question is raised. because of paying for the
service that no one else is afforded, the property owner
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is subsidizing that service and why should that service
be afforded to someone else. For example, if the City
isolates a area in town that is in a tire assessment
district, those affected property owners would be
benefiting from that district and that district would
be serving them. As a property owner in that owner,
then concern would be whether service is being provided
someone else who is paying for the service.
(NOTE: Councilman Siadek left the meeting at 11:33
a.m.)
Mr. Michael Jackson, Hughes Aircraft:
outside sources that haven't been identified (outside of
using sales tax revenue, reserves, etc.). He indicated
that Hughes has been working on the areas of point of
sale and property tax reallocation.
Property Tax Reallocation - having dust talked with
Supervisor Deane Dana's staff regarding the allocation
formula for Los Angeles County and explaining E1
Segundo's situation to see if there isn't something
the County Administrative Officer can do in terms of
reallocation. Hughes has also looked to Sacramento in
terms of addressing the problems through legislation.
That is being pursued through Hughes' Legislative
Advocates. They have been in contact with both
Assemblyman Curtis Tucker's office and Senator Bob
Beverly's office and are exploring the reallocation
formula state -wide with the various local government
committees and revenue and taxation committees in the
legislature.
Mr. Norm Smith from Hughes, addressed the Council
regarding the issue of progress in the point of sale
issue. Mr. Smith stated that what Hughes has been
trying to do is not to change the point of sale but to
actually to get permission to pay all of the sales and
use taxes directly to the State instead of to the
vendors which would point in E1 Segundo for the
operations in E1 Segundo. There is some resistance, but
one of the hoard members is in favor, and a letter has
been written to the staff in Sacramento requesting this
particular use be applied to hughes. There has not been
an answer as yet received. If Hughes is successful, the
estimate is approximately S1 million (conservatively) in
additional sales and use tax. This would be the 1%
local tax revenue.
Mr. Jackson stated that Hughes will continue to work
with the Board of Equalization and the legislature and
the County. He indicated that Council needed to give
some direction in terms of providing progress on both
issues.
Mr. Jones indicated that there is discussion that
assessments are really taxes because they are spread,
imposed on property and the way they are spread raises
a legal question that they are in fact then not
assessments but classifiable as taxes. And it that is
the case, then-Jarvis IV prohibits any tax above the *1
per 100. There is no way to impose any more - it
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would eliminate any of the assessments that may Lail
under that category, even though people approved them
by a 90% vote.
Discussion then followed regarding the Revenue sources
suggested by Departments.
MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN SYNADINOS AND SECONDED
BY COUNCILMAN JACOBSON that the meeting be adjourned.
Meeting was then adjourned to Closed Session at 12:U8
p.m. regarding matters of negotiations.
V. ADJOURNMENT
Council reconvened at 12:23 with the followiny present
answering roll:
Present: Councilmembers Jacobson, Schuldt,
Synadinos and Mayor Armstrong
Abesent: Councilman Siadek
Council then adjourned at 12:25 p.m. until July 25,
1984 at 1:30 p.m.
APPROVED:
Charles K.` Armstr
Respectfully submitted,
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Valerie A: Burrowes, City Clerk
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