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IThe portion bordered by the red. cross marks
is presently zoned "p".
We could put our building on this Propert
without any zoning
g change by putting it in this piece
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(indicating on chart), the building is 100 f e
But we desire to set it back. e t deep.
We are requesting a zoning
change. We don't have to have zoning to do it.
feel that the best interet of our installation ut we
community and the and. of the
e neighborhood is by getting.it rezoned,
MR. WOODWORTH: Before
discussed the 'introduct You leave, Mr. Taylor, we
ion of a rather large document
that you have
but I don't think you formally offered.
that. You said that you would leave a copy,
MR' TAYLOR: I would like to offer
Of this an exact copy
(indicating).
(Whereupon the various charts prey
and, referred to b previously used
Y Mr. Taylor entitled "Headquarters and
General Offices Building of North American Aviation, Inc."
were marked as Applicant's s Counsells Exhibit No. 9, and
received in evidence.)
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MR- TAYLOR; All I want to add in conclusion
23 that I hope next time we is
meet as individuals we are
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pects. I hope I have shown you good
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The facts are there. And. I hope that
2s all works out well and we do not create any Problems for
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1 I want to make this brief, as have the others preceding•
2 me. I come back and. say again, all of the advantages of
3 that building I believe would be to the people that even
4 lived in that district, as well as those otWrs who live
5 elsewhere from a monetary standpoint and not from any crumb
s being handed out in the form of purchases.
z I don't sell North American anything, and
s they buy nothing from me. So what I have to say is strictly
9 for the benefit of the citizens here, as well as myself,.
10 and that is this: That building being three stories high
11 would take that noise that is really objectionable and
12 it might even throw some of it back over into Westchester
131 and. rebound againstth at building and be sent back where
14 now it goes into our buildings.
15 - For the benefit of the lady that has got
is or that would have the light shining in her window, every-
17 body who lives on a street corner has that if they are
18 on any street corner in E1 Segundo, where there is a light
19 from that street corner. I believe our City still provides
20 lights all night long. That takes care of that one.
21 In closing I would like to say again:
22 Properties are valuable where there is employment, and
23 getting back to when I came to E1 Segundo, we were the
24 third factory manufacturing in here, and we had. three
25 employees. Properties were worth a thousand dollars or
26 twelve hundred. dollars, and I.heard one gentleman say,
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23 't need that $21,4CC ore
tax assessment, if you don
1 11 (Iren -- I have
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2 back of Penney's parking lot; I could have gotten that
3 great big lovely building for $425. That was when there �
T 4 was no noise, no North American; that was when there were
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Y 8 area -- none of us here I think will ever be millionaires,
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10 employment is accessible, and in a city that has industry
11 like E1 Segundo has, you have the lowest tax rate. Why?
12 I sat in the Council Chamber while some of
13 you left tonight and. heard a resolution offered to the
14 effect that the Council has the power to assess you ten
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cents on every $100 of property assessment to provide funds
16 for recreation if they want to.
17 Now, they are going to have to do it if they
18 don't have money, and if you vote anything now, or if you
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ask your council to close in now, saying, "Boys, we've
20 got all the business we want! We've got all the money;
21 we don't want any more Fire Department, we don't want
22 any more Police protection," -- if you don't need that extra
23 ten or fifteen thousand dollars that would come from this
24 tax assessment, if you don't need that $21,000 or more
25 that would come in for schools for your children -- I have
26 raised three children, and for those of you who don't know
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it, I have adopted. one more to raise; of coursq, it will
be a little while yet before it starts going to school --
but I am interested in these good school facilities we
have here, the same as you are.
When I came here, we didn't have one -tenth
of what we have now. It all came and you are all here
because of this tremendous industrial growth.
Now, don't be satisfied. just with what you
have, but be satisfied with what there will be for those
that come after you, maybe those that would want to buy
a home and they would naturally want to be where they can
go to work. Some of you drive a long ways to work; some of
you only drive a small way.
I close by saying again to this body, there
is no man up there that didn't vote for it, and there is
no man up there that I won't vote for again even though
he goes in opposition to this thing because they have
something that they will welgh more carefully than I have.
And I say again, I am in favor of it because it will make
employment for you, for me, for your children and for mine,
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you, not in a ten thousand dollar amount as they pointed.
out there on the chart, not in twenty-one thousand.
dollars' sum that goes to schools, and ten thousand dollars
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thousand. dollars.. If you want to go to benty years, it
is better than half a million.
I just want to say -this to you gentlemen:
You being elected by these lovely'people, consider them
one of us, please, and protect our interest in seeing that
this body has funds to spend for police protection, fire
protection, and for the schools and for the playgrounds
that we need here, having that in mind, vote on this when
it finally is to be decided.
MAYOR SWANSON: Is thane anybody else who wishes
to speak in favor of this thing, and then we are going to
try and hold it d.own to one minute, if possible, on your
remarks. It is now 12 :30 o'clock.
Is there anybody else who wishes to speak
in favor of the zone change?
MR. ERNIE BOWDRY: I would like to speak in
favor of the proposed zone change. I have heard a lot of
talk here tonight about buffer zones and protecting what
we have, what we already have and so forth, but after
seeing the charts, I can't see where there is any buffer
zone out there. I notice along Acada. Street they are right
up next to C -2 property. If you can show me a buffer
zone in there, I want to see it.
It seems to me that it would be a lot nicer
to have an office building sitting there with occasional
traffic coming in and out, instead of having a couple of
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MR• SKELLY resentative that
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,sincere' about it., And I believe that North American is
Z going to grow in the next ten years as it has in the last
number of years. It is the greatest growing industry in
the world, today, and your traffic is going to be worse by
far five years from now than it is today, and what are
You going to do? You are just out there in a residential
area, and there will be all heck popping.
I would like to put this in the exhibits
on our side (indicating newspaper cut -out) showing that
E1 Segundo is leading Los Angeles County in building the
first seven months this year, and. we are doing all right
in our building, and we are still under those conditions
entitled to a desirable place to live in for our homes
and friends.
MR. WOODWORTH: Do you wish to enter this as
Exhibit A in.opposition?
MR. SKELLY: Yes.
MR. WOODWORTH: All right, will it be so marked,
Mr. Mayor?
MAYOR SWANSON: It will be so marked as Opposit'
Exhibit "A".
(Whereupon the newspaper cut -out above referrer
to was marked as Opposition's Exhibit "A" and received'
evidence.)
MR. VIREN: Just one short rebuttal, and tha /'
the fact that even though this was originally a Stan( /,
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town, very few people in E1 Segundo now live here who
work for Standard Oil. A lot of us work outside of town.
We have to go through the corner of Imperial and Sepulveda
to get to our jobs. If you add 800 or more cars to that
corner, it is going to take us another half hour to go to
and from work. Therefore, I am opposed to this zoning
change.
MR. SIMMONS: Bill Thompson brought out the
point that North American says they can move in here and.
put that building in here. It was never brought out whether
or not they could go ahead., even if the Council voted them
down and put that in with the required. parking. I would
like to have Mr. Taylor answer it, whether he still thinks
they can put that in there with the required parking?
MR. TAYLOR: The answer to your question is, yes,
we can put it in. there and provide the required parking
under a C-1 zoning as it is now existing there.
MR. VIREN: Where could you put your parking in
that area?
MR. TAYLOR: Part of it in that area and part of
it in the other.
MAYOR SWANSON: Anybody else?
MR. FLOYD CARR: As I stated previously, I am
resident of the Junior*Chamber of Commerce. I would like
,read something under Article 6, which concerns R-3 -
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2 I would now like to do so.
3 The question was,-asked whether or not parking
4 facilities would be available. I merely want to point out
5 that under Article 6, which concerns multiple - family zones,
6 commonly referred to as R -3, under subsection 10 therein
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9 required by this ordinance, when the side
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11 located in the R -3 zone forms a common
12 boundary with a lot or parcel zoned for
13 commercial or industrial purposes, but in
14 no case shall the property so used consist
15 of more than two (2) lots or parcels or
16 be more than fifty (50) feet in width,
17 whichever is the lesser."
18 Therefore, they can take fifty feet of this
is property and make parking out of it which will provide for
1 250 cars which are necessary under the requirements of C -2
zoning.
MAYOR SWANSON: Anybody else in opposition?
Anybody else in opposition who has not spoken and who wishes
i to be heard? Now is the time to speak up and then we will
close the hearing. What are your wishes?
COUNCILMAN BAKER: I move that the hearing be
won't have to come clear back to the City Hall again?
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MR. WOODWORTH: Mr. Mayor, may this meeting J
itself be considered closed for the purpose of this hears
only, because the law requires that any official action n
that the Council takes must be taken in the Council Ch
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s this hearing can be recessed. at this time, with the under -
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Council will return
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You may wish to take the matter under advise-
ment when you reach there officially?
COUNCILMAN GORDON: Very definitely.
MR. WOODWORTH: Then, Mr. Mayor and Gentlemen
would it be fair and would . it be r our �
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to the people that the
Council is returning to the Council
Chamber at this time
and that when it gets there it
Proposes to Officially the hearing a close h and then take the
matter under advisement?
Would that be a fair statement?
MAYOR SWANSON: Would that be
fair, gentlemen?
If so, that is the wa
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MR' WOODWORTH: Gentlemen, will it be understoo
that the Council then will return to the City
:hamber at this time Y Council
that this recess will end, and that
ou will officially close the hearing at that tim
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advisement for decision b
so that the e Y the Council
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won't have to come clear back to the City
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MR. WOODWORTH: Mr. Mayor, may this meeting J
itself be considered closed for the purpose of this hears
only, because the law requires that any official action n
that the Council takes must be taken in the Council Ch
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s this hearing can be recessed. at this time, with the under -
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Council will return
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suppose that , I
You may wish to take the matter under advise-
ment when you reach there officially?
COUNCILMAN GORDON: Very definitely.
MR. WOODWORTH: Then, Mr. Mayor and Gentlemen
would it be fair and would . it be r our �
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to the people that the
Council is returning to the Council
Chamber at this time
and that when it gets there it
Proposes to Officially the hearing a close h and then take the
matter under advisement?
Would that be a fair statement?
MAYOR SWANSON: Would that be
fair, gentlemen?
If so, that is the wa
Y •it will be.
MR' WOODWORTH: Gentlemen, will it be understoo
that the Council then will return to the City
:hamber at this time Y Council
that this recess will end, and that
ou will officially close the hearing at that tim
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advisement for decision b
so that the e Y the Council
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time is very important to us with respect to the action
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you find that you are not in a position to make a d.ecisio
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at that time. That would be then in the light of whatever
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COUNCILMAN GORDON: That would be agreeable with
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MAYOR SWANSON: The testimony is a long one, and
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MR. WOODWORTH: Well then, Mr. Mayor, do you at
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1 of the Council and there take any official action that
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3 MAYOR SWANSON: Yes, this meeting is recessed at
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5 ... Whereupon the hearing recessed at 12:45
6 o'clock midnight, the City Council to reconvene again in
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8 for further advisement and consideration of the pend.ing
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STATE OF CALIFORNIA9 )
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COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES )
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I, DAVID ETTLESON, C.S.R., an Official Reporter of
the State of California, in and for the County of Los
Angeles, hereby certify that I was in attendance at the
El Segundo City Council Meeting held on Tuesday, August 18,
1954, commencing at 7:00 P.M., at the City Hall of El
Segundo, California; that all matters heard therein that
day were reported by me in shorthand to the best of my
"skill and-ability; and that the foregoing pages No. 1 to
168 inclusive, constitute a full, true and correct trans-
cript of said shorthand notes.
r IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have set my hand this 25th day
of August, 1954.
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Following the recess of the City Council,as hereinbefore set forth,
.for. the.purpose of conducting the hearing in the matter of .the appeal of
North American
a;,pf the Aviation,k Ind: , from' the deisi' o
• f, ahe` ?larni Commission
City" 41 .Segundo..` denying
said Company's. Application or change
of:, zone to' -C 2 of the,,"westerly -'BOO feet , of ` Lot" 1, •C. C. Hunt Subdivision,
the Council reconvened in'the'Couricil'Chambers in the City Hall in said
City, the hour being 12:50 o'clock A. M., Thursday, August 19, 1954s the
following members of said Council being present and answering roll call:
Councilmen Baker, Frederick, Gordon and Mayor pro tern Swanson.
Thereafter, it was moved by Councilman Baker, seconded by Councilman
Gordon, the following resolution be adopted:
RESOLVED, that the hearing on the appeal of North American
Aviation, Inc.,and others, from the dedision of the City Planning
Commission as evidenced in its Resolution No. 192, be closed.
Carried by the following vote:
Ayes.: Councilmen Baker, Frederick, Gordon and Mayor pro tern Swanson;
Noes: Councilmen None;
Absent: Mayor Selby.
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Moved.by Councilman Frederick, seconded by Councilman Baker, the follow-
ing resolution be adopted:
the decision of the City Council
RESOLVED, that /in the matter of the appeal of North American
Aviation, Inc., and others, from the decision of the Planning Com-
mission of the City of El Segundo, as evidenced in its Resolution
No. 192, denying the application of said'Company for change of
zone to C -2 of the westerly 700 feet of Lot 1, C. C. Hunt Subdivi-
sion, xaUxnattar be taken under advisement until the next regular
meeting of said City Council to be held August 25th, 19%.
Carried by the following vote:
Ayes: Councilmen Baker, Frederick,-Gordon and Mayor pro tern Swanson;
Noes: Councilmen None; •
Absent: Mayor Selby.
No further business appearing to be transacted at this meeting, it was
Moved by Councilman Frederick, seconded by Councilman Gordon, the meeting
adjourn. Carried.
Respectfully submitted,
,!Neva M. Elsey, City Clerk
Approved:
Mayor pro tem.
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