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1' MR. WRITE: I have heard -- and L'. don���
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3 those new hangars, did .anybody from North American represen
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testing out there? ,
6 MR. TAYLOR: There is a letter in the official
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9 We do not do engine testing at hangars 8 and
10 9. We do pre - flight preparation on aircraft that are
11 assembled at hangars 8 and 9, pre-flight. Our engine
12 testing is done at the far easterly end of the airport in
13 two tunnels which are designed for that specific purpose.
PM. WHITE: Well, I think you are playing on words.
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Another thing, Mr. Taylor, what will keep these people
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from coming up Walnut to get into this plant? You say
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they will come up Washington and. down Sepulveda. It is a
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public street, and people can go on any public street, I
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believe, so that the traffic plan which you have figured
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out, you can tell them how'to turn - how to turn out of
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your plant, but you certainly cannot tell anybody how to
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go to work.
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MR. TAYLOR: No, I'm afraid. I can't tell anyone
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how he can go to work, but, for example, you can't tell
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an individual like "Dutch" Kinberger how to go to work,
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MR. TAYLOR: No*` him
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3 In answer to your question, Mr. White.. so
4 that we just don't leave it hanging with an implication,
5 1 would. like to state that there are a lot of things that
6 we can do,, and, there are a lot of things that we do do.
7 You yourself stated. when we started after the people who
8 were parking out ,*there that we should have done it sonner.
9 You are concerned about how they are going to come to work.
10 Our employees don't have to do what we suggest. We can
11 suggest to them how they come In. We can control how they
12 go out. We can not stop anybody from using any street
13 in El Segundo, nor can your police -- your Police Department
14 because we have asked the Police Department., what can we
15 do about controlling this, and we have done the same in
16 the City of Los Angeles.
17 They are public streets,, and you have a
18 right to go up and down them as you see fit, as long as
19 you don't violate a law. But we will help.
20 MR. WHITE: Another thing I would like to ask you,
21 Mr. Taylor: You say we have your word. that this will be
22 done. Well., you have painted a beautiful picture here.
23 But actually the whole issue is that 60 percent of this
24 property is now R-1 in the area.
25 MALE VOICE: I raise a point of objection to that
MR. WHITE: Well., approximately. I will still say
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a m rely *6c p e drf that area is
might be wrong. Less than 10 percent of the R -1 property
is vacant in E1 Segundo, and over 50 percent of the
commercial property of El Segundo property is vacant. Why
does North American want to push the rest of the residents
that could possibly build in this area out of there, out
of building in this area rather than going into 50 percent
that is now vacant and commercial property?
MR. TAYLOR: Mr. White, first may I say that we
are not attempting to push anybody out of any place.
Secondly, as I stated earlier, that is the only land that
we were able to find that was suitable and available to
our purposes, and I have brought our land people out here
tonight in case you want to ask them some questions. How
about that?
MR. WHITE: Well, I don't have any more questions
of Mr. Taylor, but'I would like to state one thing to the
Council: Once this area is zoned C -2, despite this beauti-
ful picture which they have painted., since nobody can
predict what is going to happen in the future, is it going
to be partially R -1 or is all of this property going to be
C-2? From a legal standpoint, that is actually what the
thing resolves itself down to. This pretty picture is very
nice, but we know that North American is a big corporation
and nobody can say whether they might not change their mind;
and go back to their original plans. They have changed the
this ordinance may be initiated. by:
(a) The verified 9pp1ir,9t1nn of nne nr
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nd there isn't any reason why A%ey can't
hem again. They can do anything on this that they
can do on C -2. '
MAYOR SWANSON: Is there anybody else?
MR. ART VIREN: I live at 852 Bungalow Street,
E1 Segundo.
I would like to go on record right now as
opposing this zone change. The number one question is this:
To the City Attorney, I don't believe we cleared. up this
legality problem. Is it required by the zoning ordinance
for the legal owners to request a zoning change?
MR. WOODWORTH: I believe the ordinance so provide E.
I would like to read the provision rather than give my
Interpretation of it. Section 1800 of your Zoning
Ordinance provides:
"Boundaries of the zones established by
this ordinance. The classification of
property uses therein or other provisions of
this ordinance may be amended whenever public
necessity and convenience and general welfare
require."
Section 1801 reads:
"Initiation of amendment. Amendment of.
this ordinance may be initiated by: I
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(b) Resolution of intention of the
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I MR. VIREN: If that is the case's the request of
North American Aviation is no longer valid because they are
not the legal owners of the property.
MR. WOODWORTH: That would depend on who signed.
the application.
MR. VIREN: I*understand we have those records
here tonight by the statement of the City Clerk that she
has all the records on file.
MR. WOODWORTH: That's right, and. if You ask to
have those produced, you are entitled to d.o go.
MR. VIREN: I believe we would like to clarify
that question I right now because it is very important.
MR. WOODWORTH: The application is apparently signec"
on the stationery of North American Aviation, Inc. by J. S.
Smithson., Vice-President, Manufacturing. That appears . to
be the extent of the application itself proper.
The communication of transmission of the
application is signed by J. S. Smithson, Vice-President,
Manufacturing, on stationery of North American, and the
application itself is signed North American Aviation., Inc.
by Mr. Smithson, Vice-Presidents Manufacturing.
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and the Mayor and state that this action be thrown out as
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null and void! (Cheers and applause)
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MR. TAYLOR: Gentlemen, I believe you will find
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in your records that in addition to the application signed
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by North American a conforming lettercf intent to that
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application by the current present legal owner of the
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property.
9 MR. HARRY E. GEOHEGAN: I happen to be the Presi-
10 dent of Harold E. Geohegan, Inc. We are the legal owners
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12 to North American and alsosanction to execute what they
13 are endeavoring to execute now. My residence address is
14 3778 LaCrescenta Avenue, Glendale.
15 MR. WOODWORTH: Mr. Mayor and Gentlemen, the City
16 Clerk has handed me this document which she finds among
17 the records of the Planning Commission. Is that correct,
18 Mrs. Elsey?
19 CITY CLERK ELSEY: Yes.
20 MR. WOODWORTH: This is addressed to the Planning
21 Commission, City of E1 'Segundo, City Hall, E1 Segundo,
22 California, dated July 2nd, 195+. It is typed on the
23 stationery of North American Aviation, Inc. and reads as
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the City Attorney of E1 Segundo, enclosed r.,
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herewith is a certificated dated .July 'lst,
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from Harry E. Geohegan, Inc., the legal
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owners of the property under consideration
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for reclassification of zone which applica-
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tion was filed with your office on or about
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June 25th.
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This certificate is submitted as part
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of the official file in our application for
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reclassification of a portion of Lot 1, C.C.
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Hunt Subdivision 3636 M.R. which has been set
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for hearing July 12th.
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Vice - President, Manufacturing."
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The document enclosed reads as follows:
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"July 1, 195+
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Planning Commission,
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City Council Chamber,
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E1 Segundo, California
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Gent&emen:
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There is presently on file with the
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City Planning Commission of E1 Segundo an
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application by North American Aviation, Inc.,
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"prospective owners for an amendment to
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Ordinance 434, requesting a change of
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classification or zone from Zones R -3, R-1,
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and. p -to Zone C-2 under the provisions of
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Ordinance ' 434 of the City of El Segundo for
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that certain property in the City of
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C. C. Hunt Subdivision 36/36, M.R., fronting
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in said application, reference to which is
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hereby made for further particulars in that
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regard.
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owners of all of that property, and we hereby
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approve, confirm, ratify and join in said
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application for change of zone from Zones
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R -3 R-1 and P to Zone C -2 as fully and for
intents and purposes as though we had.
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signed and joined in the same in the first
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This is signed, "Harry E. Geohegan, Inc. by Harry E.
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Geohegan and Joseph A. Geohegan, President and Secretary
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respectively, and with the corporation's seal in the lower
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I find that my original: question.
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MR. SKELLYJ I am the owner of 'the east one -half
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6 my lot is within the 200 foot radius from the subject
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g The first thing I want to suggest or mentior
is to offset their statement which they brought in with
regard to the taxes that would be derived by the City of
E1 Segundo. In my opinion
if the property goes to R -1,
R -3 and C-1, as it is presently zoned, the City
derive as much or would
perhaps more taxes than they will from
the present suggested improvements of North American.
2 am concerned chiefly with the parkin
situation #nd-the traffic situation. The g
shows that traffic will come UP Plan suggested
Maple, go north on Washing-
ton in the morning rush hours and then into the plant.
I say that it will come out that way
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evening and go in all directions east and west, and wil
be harmful and detrimental to our children 1
children who are and our grand -
Playing in the area.
I am one of those men in town who is one
Of the minority few, as one man said; I am Planning a homes.
To me it is quite a sum; it will be somewhere
twelve and twenty thousand dollars. And there between
are hundreds
�3 can l t get to and fro our + ay j, 0.1 'the streets that we
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3 thousand dollars or maybe more, which means that -- as one
6 of the men said before in his letter -- that "shantytown"
is going up there, and I resent that. I have spoken to
people in the City in the event that folks park their
cars on the streets,and it is just human nature to take the
shortcuts away from work. If they can't get onto the
traffic on Imperial and Sepulveda during the rush hours,
it is human nature to take the shortcut and park outside
of the zones to get away quickly.
They say they will put up "No parking" signs
between 7 :00 and 9:00 o'clock. We don't want that under
any conditions.
They also say we will have one hour parking
there within our section. We do not want to be penalized
under any conditions for no parking or restricted parking
in front of our home or that in front of our friends.
I also want to say that we don't want any
barricades. When they open the street on Washington going
south for egress, we don't want any barricades on Palm,
Sycamore, Maple, Mariposa, or any of the streets that we
can't get to and fro our property at any time.
If the City Council changes this zoning,
they will defeat the zoning plan of 1947 laid down as a
Protection for us property owners who spent our money for
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5 ment that was made by Mr. Taylor. He stated in regard to
6 the 19+7 zoning plan that the property owners asked for
7 additional C -2 and the planners representing the city
8 testified that changes could be made as conditions with
9 respect to the airport changed. That is an untruth because
10 I was on the Council at that time. (Applause)
11 MAYOR SWANSON: Anybody else?
12 You made a motion previously, sir, that this
13 action be thrown out because you thought that North American
14 was the sole applicant on this zone change. Do you wish
15 to withdraw your motion?
16 MR. VIREN: I believe in my previous statement I
did withdraw that motion.
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18 MAYOR SWANSON: I didn't hear it, I'm sorry.
19 Anybody else?
MR. GEOHEGAN: May I mention one point?
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21 MAYOR SWANSON: We will come back to those in
22 favor in our rebuttal,'so if you will please save your
23 questions until then, we will carry on with the order in
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Is there anybody else who wishes to speak
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MR. KENNETH M. BAILEY: I live ate iKI-2 East
Acacia Avenue, E1 Segundo, California.
I would like to make a statement, and'•I-
would like to ask-Mr. Taylor a question. In the first place
Mr. Taylor has introduced evidence as court evidence of a
hearing dating back to 1947. That was an issue in 1947,
and at that particular time the area that is now involved
in this hearing was not developed. And I dare say that
if they produced the evidence, the Court records of the
1947 hearing, there wouldntt be but one or two people
sitting in this room whose names would be entered on that
record. So I contest whether or not that would be eidence
in this particular case, because we are now talking about
the present Issue of the area that is now developed., not
about what has gone on in the past.
Now, I would. like to direct my question to
Mr. Taylor. Do you intend to have a parking area underneath
this building for any purpose whatsoever?
MR. TAYLOR: In answer to your question with
regard to a parking area underneath this building, we have
not made a final decision. It is contemplated that we
may have a limited top executive parking area in the first
floor level, and only for just a few cars. But the final
decision has not been made on that.
MR. BAILEY: Is there a basement area proposed
in this building?
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MR. KENNETH M. BAILEY: I live ate iKI-2 East
Acacia Avenue, E1 Segundo, California.
I would like to make a statement, and'•I-
would like to ask-Mr. Taylor a question. In the first place
Mr. Taylor has introduced evidence as court evidence of a
hearing dating back to 1947. That was an issue in 1947,
and at that particular time the area that is now involved
in this hearing was not developed. And I dare say that
if they produced the evidence, the Court records of the
1947 hearing, there wouldntt be but one or two people
sitting in this room whose names would be entered on that
record. So I contest whether or not that would be eidence
in this particular case, because we are now talking about
the present Issue of the area that is now developed., not
about what has gone on in the past.
Now, I would. like to direct my question to
Mr. Taylor. Do you intend to have a parking area underneath
this building for any purpose whatsoever?
MR. TAYLOR: In answer to your question with
regard to a parking area underneath this building, we have
not made a final decision. It is contemplated that we
may have a limited top executive parking area in the first
floor level, and only for just a few cars. But the final
decision has not been made on that.
MR. BAILEY: Is there a basement area proposed
in this building?
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