2006-12-14 PC MinutesMINUTES OF THE MEETING
OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF EL SEGUNDO, CALIFORNIA
December 14, 2006
Commissioner Wagner called the meeting of the El Segundo Planning CALL TO ORDER
Commission to order at 7:05 p.m. in the Council Chamber of the City of
El Segundo City Hall, 350 Main Street, El Segundo, California.
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Commissioner Fellhauer led the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. PLEDGE TO FLAG
PRESENT: WAGNER, ROTOLO„FELLHAUER ROLL CALL
ABSENT: KRETZMER, FRICK
El Segundo resident, Brian Crowley, requested that the Planning PUBLIC
Commission consider several issues when they review Environmental COMMUNICATIONS
Assessment No. 725 including maintaining a mix of land uses,
minimum lot sizes and lot frontages, sufficient parking and economic
considerations.
Commissioner Wagner presented,the Consent Calendar.
CONSENT
CALENDAR
Commissioner Fellhauer moved, seconded by Commissioner Rotollo, MOTION
to approve the November 9, 2006, Minutes as submitted. Motion
carried 3-0.
None.
None.
Chairman Wagner presented Agenda Item H-2, Environmental
Assessment No. 661, Zone Text Amendment No. 06-03, Development
Agreement No. 05-01, and Conditional Use Permit No. 05-01.
Applicant: Automobile Museum c/o Earl Rubenstein, AIA. Address:
Citywide (Zone Text Amendment) and 610 Lairport Street (Automobile
Museum); Property Owners: Various (Zone Text Amendment); Stanley
M. Zimmerman/John Tonoyan (Automobile Museum).
Planning Manager Christensen stated that Assistant Planner
CALL ITEMS FROM
CONSENT
WRITTEN
COMMUNICATIONS
PUBLIC HEARINGS,
NEW BUSINESS
EA NO. 661, ZONE
TEXT AMENDMENT
NO. 06-03,
DEVELOPMENT
AGREEMENT NO.
05-01, and CUP NO.
05-01.
Zone Text Amendment to
amend ESMC §15-1-6 to
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Baldenegro would be presenting the staff report.
Assistant Planner Baldenegro presented the staff report (of record)
Commissioner Rotolo inquired as to whether the displayed layout is the
new proposed layout with the driveway and the parking spaces
removed.
Assistant Planner Baldenegro stated that the applicant's rendering that
was brought in shows proposed minor modifications to the site
proposed by the applicant adding the minimum five-foot parkway that
planning staff recommended to satisfy landscaping.
Commissioner Wagner inquired as to whether the 18 tandem parking
met code requirements.
Assistant Planning Baldenegro stated the parking demand study
recommended a minimum of 12; however, because of the special
events that the applicant might have and the possibility of extended
hours beyond the minimum hours with which the applicant originally
requested, planning staff is requiring a minimum of 34 especially after
comparing against the Merconia/Peterson and Los Angeles
requirements. She added that they would be required valet parking.
Commissioner Wagner opened public communications.
Stanley Zimmerman — Property Owner/Applicant
Mr. Zimmerman stated it is a unique type of non-profit, philanthropic
automobile museum, and is the only automobile driving museum in the
United States that allows a person to sit and ride in the cars and is free
of charge. Their mission is education, to encourage people to
understand these cars so future generations will maintain recollections
of them so they don't disappear from the realm of our country.
Vehicles started in 1900, and the museums earliest vehicles is a 1904,
which is really a motorized wagon, and only one in 100,000 people in
the United States has ever rode in one.
He requested modifications to the Conditions of Approval stating that
Condition No. 4 limits the number of vehicles to 75 cars, and he would
like it to be 80. Currently, they already have portion of a storage facility
and they will be expanding it. With regards to the parking stalls having
to be stripped, he stated that he does not want to see a restriction on
the vehicle striping, and would like Condition Number 5 deleted and
believed all the other conditions appear ok.
add a new definition for
Museum to the El
Segundo Municipal Code
§15-1-6 and to amend El
Segundo Municipal Code
§15-5D-5 to add
"Museums" as a
conditionally permitted use
in the Corporate Office
(CO) Zone, subject to the
requirements in ESMC
Chapter 23.
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He pointed out that the rendering that was brought in depicts a circular
driveway because it's the safest method of loading the people into the
cars stressing that those types of cars should never be backed -up. He
asked to have flexibility with the driveway design to keep the rightmost
driveway. He added that one must be at least 10 years of age to ride
in the cars, and those between the ages of ten and eighteen must wear
a seat -belt.
He stated that Condition Number 12 is bothersome as they are a non-
profit organization and are supported by donations — they serve as a
public service host to organizations such as the cub scouts, school
tours, autistic children, elderly, as well as children with cancer. He
stated that since they are a non-profit museum, they should be treated
as a non-profit organization. He continued to review the Conditions,
and stated that the services fees were ok, that they have already taken
care of surveillance noted in their plans. Regarding Condition No. 31,
they would like to have a little more flexibility on how they landscape.
He introduced Ms. Lori Lewis as the executive director of the museum
and stated that she would be on site. He pointed out that in order to
drive those type of cars, the person must be specially licensed. A
docent has to be qualified to drive the specific vehicles.
Commissioner Rotolo stated he was curious about the in -lieu fees and
whether there were any averages of the sales revenue from the gift
shop.
Mr. Zimmerman stated they have to comply with certain Internal
Revenue Service code requirements and are not supported by a
foundation, but are a direct 501(C)(3) Museum which restricts how
much help he can give the museum so a certain amount of monies
have to come from the public; in addition, there is a restriction on it
stating that no more than 2% of their total revenues can come from the
store and if it goes over, they must get matching donations from public
funds. His estimate is that they will generate revenue in the range of
$50,000 a year.
Mr. Croxall - El Segundo resident, 742 W. Mariposa
Mr. Croxall stated that he wanted to reiterate what Mr. Zimmerman had
already pointed out that the museum is an educationally -minded
museum and would be a great opportunity for El Segundo middle
schools and the community.
Mr. Brian Crowley - El Segundo resident, 501 California
Mr. Crowley stated that he signed a petition in support of the
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automobile museum; that he is very much in favor of the approval; and
was present at tonight's meeting to state that a museum as a permitted
use is a very good thing and should be allowed. He stated that he
thinks that it would be good that the use is permitted with a Conditional
Use Permit since there all kinds of museums with different conditions
that need to be controlled by imposing conditions of approval.
He stated that making use of that particular area on Saturdays and
Sundays is very synergistic. He did wonder whether it was a little
audacious for the City to take a non-profit and ask for a business tax
because there were only going to be a small income from it and hoped
that there would be no impact to Fire nor Police departments.
Commissioner Wagner thanked Mr. Crowley and proceeded to inquire
from the applicant as to how many employees, on an average day,
would be on site and what the hours of operation would be.
Property Owner/Applicant Zimmerman responded there would be five
to six staff people and that when they had a special event, they would
then call in the docents. The hours of operation requested would be
Friday, 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., Saturday and Sunday 10:00 a.m. to
4:00 p.m. Commissioner Fellhauer stated that the applicant brought
up Condition Number 4 and she would like it changed to read 80
vehicles.
Planning Manager Christensen stated that staff had no problem with
that but would have to check with Fire and Building codes and that
Commissioner Fellhauer inquired of the Assistant City Attorney as to
whether or not the condition verbiage could be modified to read 80
maximum for automobiles.
Commissioner Rotolo stated be felt it was a good project and that it
further expands the diversity of uses and would improve El Segundo.
He continued by stating he would like Condition No. 12, regarding the
in -lieu fees, waived considering that these will be some sales tax
generated and also with a small number of staff on -site, he didn't
imagine the business tax would be great anyway.
Commissioner Fellhauer inquired as to what amount of fee would be
charged.
Planning Manager Christensen replied that it was the equivalent to
what the business license fee would be over the same time period —
typically calculated at twenty years totaling $38,000.
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Commissioner Fellhauer stated she was also ok with waiving the fee
as well and inquired again if the text could be added to Condition
Number 5, regarding the parking stalls for the vehicles on display
inside the museum having to be stripped as shown on the plans to
allow it to be changed from time to time.
Planning Manager Christensen stated that Assistant City Attorney
Berger was working on suitable language to modify the conditions.
She stated that although it was the first time that staff has seen the
applicant's modifications to the driveway and landscaping as shown on
the rendering, it appears to meet the City's requirements but staff
would have to review it. She also reminded the applicant that if they
desired to restate their desired hours of operation, that clarification
must be brought up tonight because what was originally submitted on
their application to staff was 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Property Owner/Applicant Zimmerman stated the hours of operation
requested are: Friday, 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., Saturday and Sunday
10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Commissioner Rotolo inquired as to whether the applicant would be
able to host interested groups by appointment without any parking
impact problems.
Planning Manager Christensen stated staff did not put a condition
restricting special events, but they would have to adhere to the
conditions of approval that adequate parking be provided.
Assistant City Attorney Berger suggested language for Condition No. 4:
"The museum must contain a maximum building display area of not
more than 80 automobiles as allowed by applicable law and consistent
with a floor plan submitted to the Planning and Building Safety
Department". Assistant City Attorney Berger stated that this would put
a cap of 80 total vehicles, but there might be a lesser number if
required legally for ADA or fire code purposes. Assistant City Attorney
suggested that Condition No. 5 be modified to read: "Vehicles must be
displayed and positioned inside the museum in accordance with
applicable law, including, and without limitation to the California Fire
Code". He added that regarding Condition No. 12, he was unclear as
to whether or not the Commission wished to include hours of
operation.
Commissioner Rotolo stated that he proposed that the hours of
operation include Fridays, 12:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., and Saturdays and
Sundays, 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
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Assistant City Attorney Berger stated that presently there are no
limitations on the hours of operation so it would be an added condition
to the Conditions of Approval.
Commissioners Rotolo, Fellhauer, and Wagner agreed to not add a
condition regarding hours of operation.
Commissioner Wagner moved, seconded by Commissioner Fellhauer
to waive the parking -in -lieu fees. Motioned carried 3-0.
Commissioner Fellhauer moved, seconded by Commissioner Rotolo, MOTION
recommending to City Council to adopt Resolution No. 2613, approving
Environmental Assessment No. EA-661 and Zone Text Amendment
06-03 regarding the proposed Ordinance which adds a new definition
for "Museum" to the El Segundo Municipal Code §15-1-6 and amends
El Segundo Municipal Code §15-5D-5 to add "Museums" as a
conditionally permitted use permitted use in the Corporate Office (CO)
Zone, subject to the requirements in ESMC Chapter 23. Motion carried
3-0.
Commissioner Fellhauer moved, seconded by Commissioner Rotolo, MOTION
recommending to City Council to adopt Resolution No. 2614 approving
Environmental Assessment No. EA-661 and Conditional Use Permit
05-01, amending Condition Nos. 4 and 5 and deleting Condition No.
12. Motion carried 3-0.
None. PUBLIC HEARINGS,
CONTINUED
BUSINESS
Interim Director Chicots stated he had no report. REPORT FROM
DIRECTOR
Planning Manager Christensen stated that the next regular meeting of
the Planning Commission would be January 11, 2007, and that the
Commissioners would receive a calendar of the Planning Commission
schedule for 2007 with their next meeting packet.
None. PUBLIC
COMMUNICATIONS
Commissioner Fellhauer wished everyone happy holidays and Happy PLANNING
New Year. COMMISSIONERS
COMMENTS
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Commissioner Rotolo also wished everyone a happy holiday and
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inquired about a letter submitted to the City regarding a complaint about
the industrial look of a garage that was built with metal siding on Acacia
Street as to whether staff had or could look into the possibility of
prohibiting the use of metal in residential zones and how to go about
making that change.
Planning Manager Christensen indicated that the City Council directs
staff regarding adding items to the department's work program and
indicated that the Commission could, however, direct staff to provide
some initial information and prepare a request to the Council relating to
the item on behalf of the Commission.
Commission Rotolo asked the other Commissioners if they agreed and
they concurred and directed staff to follow-up on the information to be
brought back at a future meeting.
None.
The meeting adjourned at 8:00 p.m.
PASSED AND APPROVED ON THIS 14th DAY OF DECEMBER 2006.
Gary Chico s, Sec a ary of
the Planning Commission
And Interim Director of
Planning and Building Safety
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OTHER BUSINESS
ADJOURNMENT
David Wagner, Commissioner
Planning Commission
City of El Segundo, California
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