2006-04-13 PC MinutesMINUTES OF THE MEETING
OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION
OF THE CITY OF EL SEGUNDO, CALIFORNIA
APRIL 13, 2006
Chairman Kretzmer called the meeting of the El Segundo Planning CALL TO ORDER
Commission to order at 7:02 p.m. in the Council Chamber of the City of
El Segundo City Hall, 350 Main Street, El Segundo, California.
Chairman Kretzmer led the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
PRESENT: FRICK, KRETZMER, WAGNER
ABSENT: FELLHAUER, ROTOLO
None.
Chairman Kretzmer presented the Consent Calendar.
None.
There was no objection to approving the
Commission Minutes as presented and
Assessment No. 688 and Administrative Us
None.
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Chairman Kretzmer presented Agenda Item No. H-3, Environmental
Assessment No. 643 and Subdivision No. 04-5 (VTTM No. 61110).
Applicant: Steven Legare. Property Owner: Mary -Gene Slaven.
Address: 425 and 429 Indiana Street.
Planning Technician Schopp presented staff report (of record); and
noted that staff revised Condition No. 24 as follows: "The applicant will
employ all necessary measures to reduce interior noise levels to
minimum state standards. The applicant will commission a post -
acoustical analysis to demonstrate compliance. The applicant can
choose to comply with all applicable provisions of Ordinance No. 1393,
PLEDGE TO FLAG
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COMMUNICATIONS
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MOTION
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PUBLIC HEARINGS,
NEW BUSINESS, EA
NO. 643 AND SUBD.
NO. 04-5 (VTTM NO.
61110)
Proposed Light
Industrial Use
conducted within an
existing fully enclosed
building for office,
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which establishes Residential Noise Insulation standards in the City of
warehousing, packing,
El Segundo in lieu of performing a post -acoustical analysis." She
distribution, phone
advised that the second portion of this condition was added as a result
repair, and wholesale
of recent City Council adoption of Ordinance No. 1393, establishing
sales.
additional construction standards.
Responding to Chairman Kretzmer's inquiry regarding the amended
condition, Planning Manager Christensen explained that the revision
stems from the recently settled lawsuit regarding LAX and residential
sound insulation standards; that City Council at its last meeting adopted
codes to require all residential buildings comply with insulation
standards for doors, windows, etc.; and advised that this new standard
condition will be implemented on all residential projects presented to
the City.
Chairman Kretzmer opened the public hearing.
Elizabeth Srour rearesentina the anplicant/Droperty owner
Ms. Srour noted that this project has been subject to a lengthy and
detailed review, resulting in an attractive development for this location;
and advised that the applicant concurs with all conditions of approval,
including the revised condition. Ms. Srour explained that the layout of
the four detached buildings create an attractive setting for the residents
of each of these units because they will have light on all three sides,
only having one attached wall; and noted that the layout breaks up the
massing both from the street and also from the adjacent properties to
this new development. She added that there is a 10-foot separation
between the buildings, back to back; that there is an approximate 15-
foot separation at the upper levels between the buildings over the
driveway; that there is only a single driveway, which limits the interface
on the street with the merging traffic; that the basement/garage level
will be open with natural light, enhancing the security; and that this area
will be landscaped. Ms. Srour added that the entries on the north and
south sides are recessed approximately 7 feet from the setback area,
providing a private porch area for each unit.
There being no further input, Chairman Kretzmer closed the public
hearing.
Vice -Chair Frick stated this is a beautifully designed project that will fit
well into this neighborhood.
Commissioner Wagner stated this development will enhance the area.
Chairman Kretzmer noted his delight with the large amount of open
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space and the single driveway.
MOTION
Vice -Chair Frick moved, seconded by Commissioner Wagner, to
approve Environmental Assessment No. 688 and Administrative Use
Permit No. 05-4, thus approving Resolution No. 2599. Motion carried 3-
0.
PUBLIC HEARINGS,
Chairman Kretzmer presented Agenda Item No. 1-4, Environmental
CONTINUED
Assessment No. 697 and Zone Text Amendment No. 06-1. Applicant:
BUSINESS, EA 697
City of El Segundo. Property Owner: Various. Address: Citywide.
and ZTA 06-1
Planning Technician Schopp presented staff report (of record); and
Add a new definition
summarized the proposed changes as follows: eliminating the coffee
for "Cafe" to the
shop, defining cafe, establishing the zones where cafes are permitted,
ESMC; amend various
requiring a Conditional Use Permit for cafes with outdoor dining when
sections of the ESMC
outdoor dining exceeds 20 percent, and adding a parking requirement
to allow the newly
for cafes.
defined "Cafes" as a
permitted use and an
Commissioner Wagner questioned the purpose for Condition No. 9,
accessory use in the
requiring a minimum of 5 percent gross floor area to be devoted to the
Downtown
sale of non-food products.
Commercial,
Neighborhood
Planning Manager Christensen explained that there are a number of
Commercial, General
food uses that are typically small in scale which have modest seating
Commercial,
areas with a retail component that under the City's current regulations
Corporate Office,
require a parking rate of 1 space for every 75 feet of floor area,
Urban Mixed -Use
everything falling under the restaurant definition; and pointed out that
North, Urban Mixed -
there is not a separate standard to address this type of use, which is a
Use South,
"hybrid" between the standard retail use and a food establishment. She
Commercial Center,
noted the most common example given in the staff report is a secondary
Light Industrial, Small
coffee shop inside a primary book store or other primary business.
Business, Medium
Manufacturing, and
Planning Manager Christensen stated another type of use is a free-
Grand Avenue
standing use typically associated within mixed -use shopping centers,
Commercial Zones,
noting these are fairly small in size with limited floor area; that a small
and with a CUP in the
percentage of the floor area is devoted toward seating of patrons; that
Heavy Industrial Zone
there is a retail component associated with it; and pointed out that based
to eliminate "coffee
on staff's analysis, the traffic demands are lower if they are small-scale
shops" from all
users in conjunction with a series of other tenants within a center.
commercial and
Planning Manager Christensen mentioned that the people are usually
industrial zones;
entering these centers to do business at a couple establishments in the
require a CUP for
center. She noted that staff wants to provide an option for many multi-
cafes with outdoor
tenant developments to have a modest percentage of their floor area
dining that exceed 20
devoted to this use; explained that establishing this through the cafe
percent of the total
definitions allows a business to use the retail parking rate of 1 to 300
dining area; and to
ratio as opposed to the traditional restaurant rate, which is used for full-
add a parking
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1 scale fast food and sit-down restaurants. requirement for
"Cafes."
Planning Manager Christensen clarified that these are uses where there
is some retail component; and that staff wanted to make sure it was truly
a hybrid type of operation where there is some type of traditional retail
component mixed with the food use. She noted that studies of how
centers operate with the combinations of businesses indicate that the 1
to 75 parking standard is too stringent for these type of businesses.
Chairman Kretzmer asked if an establishment would be restricted in
selling certain products, questioning if it is restrictive enough.
Planning Manager Christensen explained that the businesses would
provide retail goods that are related or well balanced with the food items
and non-food items or service being provided. She expressed staff's
belief this provision provides a fair amount of creativity on the part of the
business person to decide what kind of products they want to sell in their
establishment.
Chairman Kretzmer questioned if staff considered any limitations for the
hours of operation for cafes versus other food establishments.
Planning Manager Christensen stated staff had no concerns with regard
to the hours of operation, highlighting the fact that, for instance, the peak
hours for coffee shop are usually when other businesses are closed in
the center. She stated that staff could assess each proposal on a case -
by -case basis.
Chairman Kretzmer stated that assessing each proposal on a case -by -
case basis may be useful.
Chairman Kretzmer questioned whether staff had considered the effect
of this ordinance of cafes in the downtown area. Planning Technician
Schopp explained that this use, as proposed, would not be allowed in
the Downtown Specific Plan; and advised that restaurants in this area
have a parking requirement of 1 parking space for 75 square feet for just
the dining area, which is unique from the rest of the zones in the City
which require 1 parking space for every 75 square feet of gross floor
area.
Planning Manager Christensen added that the Downtown Specific Plan
area also has provisions for outdoor dining as well for up to 100 square
feet without providing additional parking; and advised that the Downtown
Specific Plan properties have options for in -lieu parking. She stated that
this will benefit the City because it addresses a need that is out in the
community for certain types of businesses and a set of standards that
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work to address those needs when they're constructed as part of
another permitted use or as part of a multi -tenant center benefiting from
shared parking; and pointed out that this is part of why there is a 20-
percent limit on this, to make sure there is a balance in meeting the
parking demands. She mentioned that the parking thresholds for
restaurants to meet in this City are fairly stringent, requiring a 1 to 75
rate for not only the dining area, but also for the kitchen as well.
Commissioner Wagner questioned if there are any establishments within
these areas that would not comply at this point in time.
Planning Manager Christensen stated she is not aware of any
businesses currently in the community that are not able to be successful
within the existing regulations; and explained that this provides an
avenue for a hybrid type of product which the City is seeing an increase
in the community's shopping centers. She added that a food
establishment which does not meet the criteria is not precluded from
going into these zones, but it would need to either fit more accurately
into the traditional restaurant definition/restaurant standards or into the
traditional retail definition in meeting the retail standards and retail
parking requirements in these zones which allow those uses.
Chairman Kretzmer assumed it would be accurate to say there are a
number of businesses that might be interested in doing this, but the
parking requirements that would be imposed upon them under the
current definitions/codes would probably be prohibitive.
Planning Manager Christensen indicated that is correct; reiterated that
staff took the approach in wanting to see this as a component in mixed
use or multi -tenant centers; and stated there is a certain amount of
shared benefit with parking when those combinations of uses are
together in a center. She reminded the Commission this was not
designed to address stand-alone uses because when one has a single
point of destination as a free-standing tenant on a parcel by itself, the
traffic patterns and traffic generation is somewhat different than a multi -
tenant center; that the direct vehicle trip generation of a free-standing
business would be somewhat higher; and that staff believes those
should continue to fall within the restaurant provisions for parking
standards. She stated this proposal is very limited, only having an
allowance for 15 seats; advised that these uses do not include alcohol
sales; that there is no wait staff nor drive -through service; and that these
are expected to be uses that have sit-down seating availability, but with
a shorter term usage of people coming and going from the
establishment.
Commissioner Wagner noted his understanding this would apply to new
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establishments.
Planning Manager Christensen stated yes; and added that any existing
business that would comply with the standards when they have changes
within a center could be assessed and required to comply with this
standard.
Chairman Kretzmer addressed his concern with the locations these
coffee businesses usually locate to, stating that the frequency of visits
and the large amount of traffic entering and exiting these sites creates a
negative impact upon traffic flow and increases safety concerns. He
reiterated his concern for the safety of ingress and egress and
frequency of these numerous trips and how the City is handling parking
overall in the small strip malls/centers. He added that a busy
egress/ingress of these coffee businesses has the potential to
negatively impact other businesses in a center, with the coffee customer
traffic becoming a nuisance.
Vice -Chairman Frick stated she anticipates a large number of these
businesses will target large office buildings.
Planning Manager Christensen stated that these businesses typically
will locate on the ground floor of a multi -level office building, providing
some modest amenities for those working in the office building or for
those doing business in the office building; and that this type of use
does not usually generate additional traffic for an office building. With
regard to this as an accessory use to another business, she explained
that there is a certain amount of business that's generated as a
destination, but that a larger proportion of those trips are people who are
already traveling to that establishment for another primary use.
Chairman Kretzmer questioned if staff has given any consideration to
limiting the proximity of these businesses to each other, reiterating his
concern with the large traffic mass of the coffee business.
Chairman Kretzmer opened the public hearing. There being no input,
Chairman Kretzmer closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Wagner moved, seconded by Vice -Chair Frick, to
MOTION
approve Environmental Assessment No. 697 and Zone Text
Amendment No. 06-1, thus adopting Resolution No. 2597. Motion
carried 3-0.
Planning Manager Christensen stated that there will be two agenda
REPORT FROM
items for the next meeting; and noted there will be agenda items for both
DIRECTOR
meetings in May. She wished everyone a happy Easter.
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None. PUBLIC
COMMUNICATIONS
Chairman Kretzmer bid aloha to vacationing City Attorney Karl Berger PLANNING
and welcomed Greg Kovacevich to the Planning Commission meeting. COMMISSIONERS'
COMMENTS
None. OTHER BUSINESS
The meeting adjourned at 8:03 p.m. ADJOURNMENT
PASSED AND APPROVED ON THIS 27th DAY OF APRIL, 2006.
v
Kimberly Christensen, Secretary of Mike retzmer, airman of
the Planning Commission the Planning m ission
and Planning Manager of City of El Segun o, California
Planning, Building Safety
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