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Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 5:49 PM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: FW: 4 way stop Whiting and Pine
Council received email below, please post.
Thank you,
Tracy Weaver I City Clerk
City of El Segundo
350 Main Street El Segundo CA 90245
310.524.2305 1 tweaver@elegundo.org I www.elsegundo.org
-----Original Message -----
From: Lynn Norton <lynnnorton@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 5:37 PM
To: ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>; Xu, Lifan <Ixu@elsegundo.org>; Sassoon, Elias
<esassoon@elsegundo.org>; George, Darrell <dgeorge@elsegundo.org>
Subject: 4 way stop Whiting and Pine
Hello El Segundo Representatives,
I want to email my support for having a four way stop at Whiting and Pine. We moved to 517 Whiting twelve years ago
and have been witness to many near accidents and several actual accidents at this intersection. Cars that are traveling
on Whiting at this intersection do not have the visibility to see cars coming from either direction on Pine because of the
cars parked on the street and the downhill descent that Whiting begins at that intersection. Due to the lack of a stop
sign many people drive over the speed limit on Pine because they know they don't have to slow down for a stop like
they do on Mariposa. It is also dangerous to exit from our alley between Whiting and Loma Vista on Pine due to the lack
of visibility and the speed the cars are moving on Pine. There have been several accidents also at this alley access street.
For me, it is safer to exit the alley on Mariposa because there is a stop sign at both intersections slowing the cars down.
Please put a stop sign at this intersection before someone gets hurt again. This is the only intersection on W. Pine
without a four way stop which makes no sense.
Thank you,
Lynn Norton
Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 5:48 PM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: FW: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
Council received email below, please post.
Thank you,
Tracy Weaver I City Clerk
City of El Segundo
350 Main Street El Segundo CA 90245
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From: Maggie Kelch <Maggiek@k2networks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 1:19 PM
To: George, Darrell <dgeorge@elsegundo.org>
Cc: Sassoon, Elias <esassoon@elsegundo.org>; ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>
Subject: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
Dear City Council Members,
To emphasize Sarah Miszkowicz's point about the dangerous intersection at Whiting & Pine, please let me share what
happened just 2 days after the accident she documented and shared with you.
I was almost T-Boned exactly like the accident that happened 2 days prior with my daughter in the car on our way to her
HS swim practice. The car would have hit the passenger side of my car where my daughter was sitting. Luckily, I
ALWAYS approach this particular intersection with caution and drive very slowly. I slammed on my brakes. The other car
slammed on their brakes... skidding to the middle of the intersection as I came to a full stop. My daughter screamed and
the other car took off. The mail carrier was parked and going through mail on the Northeast corner of Whiting
Street. She stopped what she was doing and walked over to my car and asked if we were both ok. She said "that was an
extremely close call". I couldn't agree with her more.
The visibility coming up Pine street heading West is horrific and the near misses that happen at least once a week are
frustrating. We are blessed to live in an area where there are kids of all ages that are outside playing, bicycling,
skateboarding, scootering and walking their dogs. It's unsettling to know that the intersection is unpredictable and
dangerous with all the wonderful youth activity.
This is not the first or second time we have asked for the city to recognize the danger at the intersection of Whiting and
Pine and install a 4 Way Stop. Please, I and the rest of our neighbors urge you to stop and see how dangerous this
intersection is and take action. We are only asking for our community to be more safe and protected for our children
and residents.
I look forward to the re -assessment of the 4 Way Stop at our intersection and hope to see this become a 4 way stop
intersection.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Maggie Kelch
310-487-9124
443 Whiting Street, El Segundo
From: "George, Darrell" <dgeorge@elsegu�+�cs.olr>
Date: March 27, 2023 at 11:38:38 AM PDT
To: saraeyer26@gmail.co
Cc: "Sassoon, Elias" <esassoon@el e Undo.00fg>
Subject: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
Hi Ms. Miszkowicz:
(bcc: councilmembers)
Thanks for your email. Please note that the traffic analysis which was recently performed by the Traffic
Engineering Consultant firm indicated that the intersection did not meet the warrants for installing a 4-
way stop sign. However, we are re -assessing the situation considering the information that you have
provided and will get back with you soon.
Please contact Elias Sassoon, the Director of Public Work Department if you have any further questions.
Thanks
Darrell
Thank you,
Darrell George
City Manager I City of El Segundo
350 Main Street El Segundo CA 90245
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From: Sarah Miszkowicz <sarahmeyer42kgm4 1.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 8:21 PM
To: Xu, Lifan <I a else undo,or >; ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@else Lando. 'rg>;
ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTE'DOFF=ICIALSpel epgDdo.or >
Subject: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
Hello Mr. Xu and City Council members,
I had reached out in August 2022 about the need for a four way stop at Whiting and Pine here in El
Segundo. I had 20+ neighbors fill out the request as well. I was told there would be a study conducted
and I never heard anything beyond that. Today there was yet another accident where a car was T-boned
and their passenger door was smashed in. This was very loud and many neighbors heard and came
outside. Luckily everyone was ok and the ESPD were called and came to the site. How many more of
these accidents need to happen until something is done? There are pedestrians, kids on e-bikes,
strollers, dogs, cars and golf carts all flying across these streets. This is a very serious safety issue.
People driving north/south along Whiting can't see around the parked cars and the cars driving east/west
on Pine don't have to stop and fly up and down the hill from the dunes. I would like you to look at how
many requests were submitted in August of last year because I do not think it's fair to ask all my
neighbors to fill it out again. If it is a volume of signatures needed and there aren't enough I will get more.
Please update me on what is being done because I am very concerned that next time we won't be so
lucky and someone will get hurt. There are photos attached of today's accident.
-Sarah Miszkowicz
805-267-6554
Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2023 5:47 PM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: FW: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
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Council received email below, please post.
Thank you,
Tracy Weaver I City Clerk
City of El Segundo
350 Main Street El Segundo CA 90245
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From: Sarah Miszkowicz <sarahmeyer426@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2023 8:21 PM
To: Xu, Lifan <Ixu@elsegundo.org>; ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS<ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>; ALL ELECTED
OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>
Subject: FOUR WAY STOP NEEDED
Hello Mr. Xu and City Council members,
I had reached out in August 2022 about the need for a four way stop at Whiting and Pine here in El Segundo. I had 20+
neighbors fill out the request as well. I was told there would be a study conducted and I never heard anything beyond that.
Today there was yet another accident where a car was T-boned and their passenger door was smashed in. This was very
loud and many neighbors heard and came outside. Luckily everyone was ok and the ESPD were called and came to the
site. How many more of these accidents need to happen until something is done? There are pedestrians, kids on e-bikes,
strollers, dogs, cars and golf carts all flying across these streets. This is a very serious safety issue. People driving
north/south along Whiting can't see around the parked cars and the cars driving east/west on Pine don't have to stop and
fly up and down the hill from the dunes. I would like you to look at how many requests were submitted in August of last
year because I do not think it's fair to ask all my neighbors to fill it out again. If it is a volume of signatures needed and
there aren't enough I will get more. Please update me on what is being done because I am very concerned that next time
we won't be so lucky and someone will get hurt. There are photos attached of today's accident.
-Sarah Miszkowicz
805-267-6554
Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 7:28 AM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: Fwd: Whiting x Pine 4-Way Stop
Council received email below, please post.
Tracy Weaver
City Clerk
Begin forwarded message:
From: Paul Miszkowicz <pmiszkow@gmail.com>
Date: April 17, 2023 at 9:26:05 PM PDT
To: ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>
Subject: Whiting x Pine 4-Way Stop
Hello,
I would like to voice my support for the conversion of a 2-way stop into a 4-way stop at the intersection
of Pine and Whiting.
The parking along Pine makes it nearly impossible for Whiting based drivers to see cross traffic and has
resulted in accidents along with a number of near misses with cars, bicyclists and pedestrians.
The topography of the upward slanting hill facing West compounds this issue in the evenings with
significantly reduced visibility for drivers staring directly into the setting Sun.
Thank you for your review and consideration.
Paul Miszkowicz
503 Whiting Street
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Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: Fwd: 4-Way stop - corner of Whiting St. and Pine St.
Council received email below, please post.
Tracy Weaver
City Clerk
Begin forwarded message:
From: Tom Norton <tomfnorton@earthlink.net>
Date: April 17, 2023 at 9:36:25 PM PDT
To: ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>, "Xu, Lifan" <Ixu@elsegundo.org>,
"Sassoon, Elias" <esassoon@elsegundo.org>, "George, Darrell" <dgeorge@elsegundo.org>
Subject: 4-Way stop - corner of Whiting St. and Pine St.
Council Members,
I am writing to you regarding the issue of adding stop signs for east/west traffic on Pine Street at
Whiting Street. My family and I have lived on the 500 block of Whiting Street, just north of the
intersection in question for the past 12 years. We have long been concerned about the safety of the
intersection due to traffic moving rapidly through on Pine Street. We recently witnessed a collision in
the intersection, one of several that we have seen over the years living nearby, not to mention the
numerous "near misses" that happen on a regular basis.
The intersection is a challenging one to cross when moving north/south on Whiting Street when cars are
parked on Pine, partially blocking the view of drivers on Whiting Street. Drivers on Pine sometimes
speed excessively through the intersection due in part to the fact that they are not required to stop at
the intersection, and this makes the situation even more dangerous. We have a large number of
families with younger children on our block and in the general area, and a four-way stop here would be
greatly beneficial to the safety of these children as they cross Pine Street.
Both Holly Street and Mariposa have stop signs at their intersections with Whiting Street. Please add
one at Pine Street to reduce or eliminate this public safety risk to pedestrians and drivers that so
frequently use this intersection.
Thank you for your consideration.
Tom Norton
517 Whiting Street
El Segundo
Harada, Patricia
From: Weaver, Tracy (City Clerk)
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 7:29 AM
To: Sandoval, Lili; Harada, Patricia
Subject: Fwd: Request for Stop Signs at Whiting and Pine
Council received email below, please post.
Tracy Weaver
City Clerk
Begin forwarded message:
From: Serena Burton <serenaburton@gmail.com>
Date: April 17, 2023 at 6:12:27 PM PDT
To: ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS<ALLELECTEDOFFICIALS@elsegundo.org>, "Sassoon, Elias"
<esassoon@elsegundo.org>, "George, Darrell" <dgeorge@elsegundo.org>, "Xu, Lifan"
<Ixu@elsegundo.org>
Cc: sarahmeyer426@gmail.com, Scott 4V <cscottburton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Request for Stop Signs at Whiting and Pine
Dear City Council members, City Manager and others,
This letter is to request that the City convert the current 2-way stop signs at the corner of Whiting Street
and Pine Avenue to 4-way stop signs.
We live right around the block at 433 Loma Vista Street and walk to school at Richmond Street
Elementary each day down Pine. I have personally seen many close calls at that intersection while
walking or driving. Some cars go flying down Pine since they have no stop sign and other times, cars
turning left onto Pine off Whiting are almost clipped. I have spoken to my kids about never crossing Pine
on Whiting there because it's so hard to see cars coming up the hill on Pine. I've seen kids crossing Pine
on bikes almost be hit by a car coming up the hill. It was terrifying. Additionally, some cars stop there
when traveling on Pine because they just assume there is a stop and cause confusion for other drivers.
A stop sign there seems very logical especially since it's a poor visibility area.
Please don't wait until there's a serious accident at this intersection. We ask the Council to do the right
thing and have that intersection converted into a 4-way stop.
Thank you for reading this and for your consideration.
We appreciate your time and commitment to keeping this city the great place it is.
Serena and Scott Burton
433 Loma Vista Street
310-945-8081
Harada, Patricia
Subject: FW: Cross Streets of Pine Ave. and Whiting Street (Proposal for 4-Way Stop)
From: Brandon Avakian <brandon.avakian mail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2023 11:40 AM
To: ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS <ALLELN CTEQ0FFICNALS se�u�g>
Subject: Cross Streets of Pine Ave. and Whiting Street (Proposal for 4-Way Stop)
Dear El Segundo City Council,
My name is Brandon Avakian and I live at 432 Whiting Street near the intersection of Pine Avenue and Whiting
Street. My understanding is there have been discussions regarding whether a 4-way stop should be added to this
intersection.
Obviously, the people that live in El Segundo don't want to add additional stops and increase travel time when it's not
necessary. However, whether you are an adult or a child the intersection is not safe because of lack of visibility. Pine
Ave. and Whiting Street lie at the top of a hill. As you look both ways before crossing Pine, vision is cut short due to the
steepness of the hill. It feels like a gamble every time I cross the road. Whether it's with my family or by myself I don't
feel very safe crossing Pine Ave. I am sure you have guidelines which aid you in determining where to place stop
signs. But even if you believe it best not to add a 4-way stop, a happy compromise (which typically makes both parties
feel satisfied with the result) would be to add speed bumps before and after the intersection. One again, I don't know
what your guidelines are.
I am not one to speak up on a lot of matters. But I feel that if one of my neighbors is going to take the time to bring this
issue up with the City Council, that neighbor deserves my support. The intersection is unfortunately an unsafe condition
in my opinion. If a serious accident occurs at that intersection because nothing was done by the City of El Segundo,
ultimately it would be us taxpayers of El Segundo that will pay. Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Brandon N. Avakian